> Google is holding all your old free G Suite accounts hostage
They are not holding these accounts hostage. Y'all can consign postal service from Google. You can modify your MX records to dissimilar servers.
I've been scrap as much as anyone by Google killing products, but honestly, information technology's amazing they've kept this production free for so long. And in this case, the production isn't beingness killed; they've but decided to start charging for information technology.
You can't export purchased licenses for software / media to another Google account, nor tin can y'all drift Google Play Developer accounts. The mail isn't the problem, the problem is everything else tied to people's personal Google accounts
You don't need to pay annihilation to google or to apply googles post functionality to keep licenses connected to an account.
Merely motility the accounts to the complimentary version of "google deject identity.
G Suite accounts are by definition not supposed to be personal accounts: they are for when an system wants to own someone else'due south account, with the ability to do stuff like managing it and revoking its access; and and so, just like when you lot are using an account given to you past your employer, yous should non consider them "yours". If you lot desire to complain about this, it should be that businesses that were using this organization for free are being locked out, non personal accounts: if you were buying stuff for your personal use from Google Play using a K Suite business relationship that was never a practiced thought. I realize people started using them like that, considering they wanted a "personal" Google account with support, and I also realize that Google kind of caved on this a while ago when people were whining constantly near why they couldn't use Google+--a social network--with their G Suite accounts (with some resulting changes that completely messed up the model of how these accounts work, muddying up the namespace by mixing the various kinds of accounts together, which bankrupt the ability to have a true personal business relationship with the aforementioned email address as a domain endemic by G Suite... something which awkwardly fabricated it more difficult for the people who did sympathize this divergence and who were making damned certain non to practice something like attach a Google Programmer account to a Google Apps account, lest I afterwards decide to switch to a different workspace and email provider), just the mental model of using a Chiliad Suite account as a personal account never made sense.
> you should not consider them "yours"
It's my domain and I'm the admin on Chiliad Suite so it's just equally much my personal business relationship equally any gmail business relationship, and to follow your logic then you basically shouldn't utilize any kind of 3rd party service or cloud business relationship.
>I realize people started using them like that
Mayhap that'due south because google advertised this every bit way to get a gmail address with a personal domain, offered a complimentary basic tier to everyone that wanted, and rolled out back up for all their products to use these accounts with them, without, it seems e'er considering the eventuality of charging for the complimentary tier and thereby holding accounts and information hostage in abroad they'd never consider for normal accounts.
But I guess that makes information technology harder for you lot to feel superior
> simply like when yous are using an account given to you by your employer, yous should not consider them "yours"
That's totally true but but if you are an employee, the business organization owner should have total access.
I don't see how a free GSuite account - where you lot are the business owner - is any less yours than a gratis gmail account.
> honestly, it's amazing they've kept this production gratis for then long
Really? I remember them maxim these early adopter grandfathered in plans would be free for life.
I've been making a listing of all the Google services I employ that are tied to my account, and what migrating to a costless/personal account would wait similar. Yep, I tin get pretty much all the data out, simply information technology's incredibly lossy, and much of information technology just cannot be imported into the new business relationship at all, and some of it that can be, volition crave me to write a bunch of tools that use Google'south diverse product APIs.
I've already moved my email and contacts from my GSuite account to Fastmail, but that's a tiny part of the story.
Sounds like Google was providing yous a bunch of valuable services for free for a long time. Not defending Google but your statement is non compelling.
More likely considering of path dependency.
Say you lot make a choice between equivalent services, A or B. Over time you are locked into your selection because you make decisions that fit your pick. The benefits and costs/risks of choosing A or B are often indistinguishable over time. Yet afterwards, irresolute betwixt the two can be unfeasibly expensive: due east.thou. irresolute banks (mortgage lock-in), changing wellness insurance (existing condition lock-in), irresolute careers, etcetera.
But if both choices provided a costless service of great value for years, is it fair to mutter when A at some point wants money for the highly valuable service? I don't see a lot of Fastmail customers having this event.
I of my colleagues used to exist a reasonably difficult "Google fanboy", while I mostly drove the company away from Google as much as I could.
The years go by and the fanboyism in him dies a trivial bit more every day. So this came along. He is completely screwed, and pissed at Google about information technology.
The result isn't moving mail, information technology's the rest of the ecossystem and accounts. He can movement mail somewhere else, but his account is also his Youtube account with all his business videos and playlists, several domains, and several other services which he has used under the Promise that they would all be free forever. He actually used the word hostage when talking nigh this with me. He is a hostage.
Google has all the right to price their products, only it is "typical shit google" to go dorsum on their give-and-take, destroy expectations and basically scam their users. If the service hadn't been offered every bit "free forever", many people would not take used information technology.
I don't like Google. I used to. But I can't, now. In that location are a couple of amazing Google-owned products (Maps, Youtube come to heed), but the visitor, to me, is just the Microsoft of the 2000s. Seriously, information technology seems like they intentionally make themselves look bad (it's 2022 and some of my youtube videos still appear translated to the language of the land I'yard in and there's no place for me to change this without screwing something else).
> You can export post from Google.
I've tried to practise it on some old Thousand Suite accounts that got suspended and no, yous can't.
As @Freak_NL noted, IMAP can help hither.
What i have been doing for years now is to setup Thunderbird leveraging maildir...Now, the majority of the time i practise read my postal service via google's webmail...but on occasion i do use Thunderbird for reading mail. But the benefit of having my postal service locally attainable - every bit indivudual files nether maildir - is that things are snappier for going through all of my letters...Just the secondary benefit is that i can (and have been for years) backing upwardly my email equally files...In essence all the files under thunderbird'due south maildir can be copied/pasted to some other storage place/binder/network share/any...and then i go speed and protection! Plus this (having all my email letters locally-accessible) makes it trivially like shooting fish in a barrel to "re-import" (if you want to call information technology that) my electronic mail from GSuite over to whatever other IMAP-capable mail provider...it is as easy equally dragging files from my GSuite-account in thunderbird over to the other, non-GSuite account within said same Thunderbird view. (Granted information technology takes time to button up email to the new provider this manner if you have tons of messages...only its piece of cake.) I'chiliad sure there are more than efficient methods to go your letters from Goolgle and shifted over to another mail provider...but this is what i've done, and information technology works. YMMV depending on the number of messages you're dealing with, and any constraints your new/other mail provider might have in receiving loads of "new" messages.
I call back you lot missed the part about the account being suspended.
Can't log in? Can't take out.
Actually, I can login to account settings and can initiate a take out, but there'southward no way to include Gmail data in it (and trying to go to Gmail results in "account suspended" message).
So now our choices are: pay $half-dozen per user per month for essentially what everyone gets for costless, or our accounts, which are used for all kinds of free Google services, stop working.
The paragraph prior reads:
"After 60 days in break, you volition no longer have access to Google Workspace core services, such equally Gmail, Calendar, and Meet."
I'd really like to know the full list of the "core services" that become unavailable. I've moved my email to Fastmail, but I still use Google Calendar and occasionally Google Meet. What else is included hither? Chat? I apply that also.
It sounds similar Google will simply exist converting your business relationship to the kind that anyone tin create at the offset issue that comes upward when yous google "create google account without gmail." This is fine. Information technology'south a full Google business relationship like any other.
Calendars are very easy to migrate from one business relationship to another (or even to other services). You can download i ics file that describes your whole calendar and import that file to a consumer Google Calendar business relationship. That would probably be the least disruptive path for you.
You could import that same file at to the lowest degree to Apple's gratuitous iCloud, though I imagine it would exist more disruptive because that service is different in many ways.
Now as for those who want gmail just can't afford the $6, I call back it's as elementary as you'd need to add Gmail to that "non-gmail" business relationship, which would restore your access to the consumer version of Gmail. Hosting your domain's email does commonly demand to be washed for money now, only with the coin one has saved for the last 17 years or so, you should be able to do this for $thirty a year or something - and merely configure consumer Gmail to pull messages in via POP from your "personal domain" email business relationship, so that yous get the Gmail UI and the pretty generous storage space. I know it's possible to configure gmail to send "From" the other accost as well, but information technology does so in a pretty conservative way that some clients show as "Bob Smith on behalf of Bob Smith" and both addresses are visible in the headers.
> They are not belongings these accounts hostage. You lot can consign mail from Google. Yous can modify your MX records to unlike servers.
There is sinking cost fallacy of setting up all of this through them. Like I have 100 domains that I've setup to be able to receive emails through Google. So much work + damage to fix everything. Will probably let it die.
Yeah, this is a pain and I hope there volition be some adept news before long. My family runs on this - the but reward over free Gmail is that we can utilize our own domain name, and we're going to suddenly have to pay $42 per month (okay, $36 if I trim i of the accounts I hardly use). Nosotros've got loads of Photos, pic purchases etc which I don't want to lose, plus all the kids Android phones, 2 ten Domicile, 2 ten Chromecast.
Friends who utilize regular Gmail accounts go to employ things like Family Link etc for parental approval/monitoring equally well... which I'yard even so not going to be able to use.
Come on Google, please come upwardly with a family service which allows you to employ your own domain proper name. Pretty please! I'd nonetheless pay a few $ per month for information technology, especially if it'due south adept on parental controls and monitoring.
I bank check this page every week or so:
>In the coming months, we'll provide an option for y'all to move your non-Google Workspace paid content and most of your data to a no-cost option. This new option won't include premium features similar custom email or multi-account management. You'll be able to evaluate this choice prior to July 1, 2022 and prior to account suspension. We'll update this article with details in the coming months.
I'm kind of counting on that being available earlier they start charging me.
Oh, this is quite interesting. The one thing I am worried about is that it'due south non clear if it volition let u.s. migrate to a "Google Account without GMail" (which lets yous use a custom domain to create a costless Google Account, see https://accounts.google.com/SignUpWithoutGmail?hl=en), but will instead crave that we migrate to an @gmail.com business relationship.
I really don't want that; I desire to keep my Google Account identity the same (with my custom domain). I've already moved my e-mail from GMail to Fastmail, so I don't need Google to host my email. Unfortunately this support page doesn't requite much in the fashion of details, and I expect there won't be much time between when they release this tool (and I inevitably am able to confirm it won't exercise what I want) and when I'll accept to first moving my data, which will require writing some specialized tools if I desire to migrate as losslessly every bit possible to a new Google Account.
This is exactly what I'm waiting for, too - I don't really care virtually migrating my email somewhere else, I'd wanted to do that for a while even before they discontinued the program. But I do want to preserve my existing Google account and the diverse Google data associated to it, even if that ways migrating it out of GSuite.
And then the terminal I heard most this, Google had relented to some extent and was going to offer some offramp for people who had data, purchases, etc. in an old gratis Apps for Domain/G Suite/Workspace account. They had a course you could submit to saying you wanted more information about those options. Has anyone heard whatsoever more than on this forepart?
I don't listen paying someone else just to run email for my domain (or potentially even paying Google) only I'd similar to offload my Android app purchases and all that kind of stuff I take on there.
I submitted the form just haven't heard dorsum. I have recreated all important electronic mail accounts on a self hosted Mailcow example with a sync task that syncs all email every hour. When push comes to shove I only have to flip the MX record for the domains.
Purchases won't go anywhere. You volition exist forced to the new plan, and then when you lot fail to pay you will lose access to the post and the workspace apps (so will lose Docs Sheets, etc access), but the account remains a valid google account indefinitely.
From the FAQ:
> If my Thou Suite legacy free edition account is suspended, what happens to my boosted Google services and paid content after July one, 2022?
> In account suspension, yous won't lose access to other Google services, including YouTube, Google Photos, and Google Play, nor paid content, including YouTube and Play Store purchases.
> You'll likewise exist able to sign in to your Google apps (such as YouTube) and third-party sites with your 1000 Suite legacy edition email address. Yous won't be able to receive or send electronic mail, including authenticating countersign resets via electronic mail. Without access to Gmail in the suspendedstate, we recommend you lot use a different email provider to send and receive email messages, including irresolute logins and authenticating new passwords.
What seems to exist weirdly missing is the pick to convert to normal non-gmail google account, which is what almost individuals or families willing to migrate to a different email host would want. If they offered that, it would allow keeping access to gdocs et al, and you lot would really only be losing mail hosting and the power to administrate other accounts.
My understanding was that it was something approaching your last paragraph that they were looking at offering, either converting your Workspace account to a regular Google business relationship, or offering some sort of thing to pull over your content: I have a regular Google account already, and would rather not continue effectually a neutered i in perpetuity for access to apps.
I would think that having such an account would as well only be trouble down the line: being on a Workspace account already affects time of access to features routinely (and the new Pay never came to those accounts... though I feel like that's somewhat dead in the h2o already anyway?) and being in an even more limited non-paying weirdo customer subset can't maybe aid any of that out.
I signed up for the form. Take not heard just they DID say information technology would exist after April 1.
My guess is they have a Family Tier. Same limits every bit free, but with a cost.
Personally I'm willing to pes the bill if i have to, simply that will probably only exist a stopgap to get to something that is cheaper.
Unfortunately a lot of the heralded services (ie: ProtonMail) dont take the same services (ie: no contacts sync or notes sync etc). That is VERY handy outside the app. While i could piece of work around it, non sure family would exist a willing.
I'd be willing to pay for information technology if information technology's actually good value, because the electric current Thousand Suite sure is not.
Yous need to pay $half dozen/month, or $72/year to get 30 GB of storage + custom domain. If you're on Gmail and pay nothing, you get 15 GB of storage. If you lot're on Gmail and pay $20/year (or $1.99/month) towards Google 1, you lot become 100 GB of storage.
Basically, the custom domain part of G Suite costs quite a lot considering how little of annihilation else you become in comparison to cheaper Google One plans. No idea how expensive that can be, since Apple volition sell me a fifty GB iCloud+ business relationship that has custom domain emails, iCloud Private Relay and other features for 0.99 €/calendar month.
I migrated to Zoho dorsum in January for electronic mail and opened a regular Google account for YouTube etc. Only waiting for them to kick me off at present.
How did it go for y'all and how does Zoho compare? Did you drift from free Yard suite specifically? Did you lot have custom domains?
Yes I'grand using custom domains and yes I migrated from free Gsuite. I merely use the e-mail merely on Zoho, which is totally fine for me. It does also include other services which I oasis't investigated. Migration was fairly painless. The domain setup on Zoho is quite good. I was able to export my contacts from google and import them into Zoho. The main feature I wanted was catch-all support, which Zoho does back up and works fine. Spam detection seems fine. No issues with email deliverability. I have prepare-up SPF and DomainKeys. Seems OK generally.
I'one thousand actually in the middle of fully migrating to zoho from my grandfathered GSuite accounts. And so far, going quite well. I actually had already planned to motion abroad from Google well-nigh 1 year ago...then had spun up a paid Zoho account and associated information technology to an one-time domain proper noun that i was not using...Just to see how zoho performs...And, you know what, they're pretty damn good; especially for the price! I should caveat that my needs (and those of my family) are very meager. My family and I do non share calendars, and so don't know if the result that @bbertelsen noted is hit others. (I guess I'll be testing that!) I do agree with @bbertelsen that the UIs for many settings can be quite deep. It is clear that zoho wanted to go along adding lots of bells and whistles...just i guess considering my family unit's needs are pretty simple, one time i figured out where to do whatever was needed...sort of set it and forget it...at least and so far...and again, at this point working bang-up! (Nosotros'll see how things go once i complete the mkigration.)
Information technology takes some getting used to. There are some rough edges, mainly with the UI and figuring out where things are hidden behind deep menus. Calendar sharing is non equally straightforward. Otherwise it's been a good experience so far. I have 8 custom domains for about eight users. Transition was easy also, you can do it from inside zoho for the most office. The just thing that takes a scrap of time is domain propagation.
I tried this in 2018, and had issues with notifications under iOS, and there wasn't support for syncing contacts and calendars. As well, Zoho its offering is pretty huge, so for example grokking the settings screens takes some attempt. Perhaps someone can requite a more recent update?
I used zoho for a few years in our org. Nosotros started on the costless zoho plan then transitioned to paid. As we hired more, we got a lot of requests for people to switch to gsuite, and we finally did a few months ago. Now nosotros have both side by side.
Main reasons people wanted gsuite
- gmail UI preference (Zoho webmail ui is feature-complete but clunky and wearisome)
- perceived email deliverability (people thought gsuite would be ameliorate for deliverability. Nosotros haven't seen much difference in reality though)
- preference for google drive + docs over zoho workdrive + docs. This is not merely due to familiarity -- the features for google are smoother and more than reliable. Information technology seems fine to use zoho only when you are losing saved drafts or having to doubele-check the engineering science or don't know where thee buttons are for something, productivity losses add up over time
- frustratino with some of the other zoho services. Their Zoho One offers a ton of things to solve most product categories, but they're rarely best in class. More of a problem is that often unproblematic things you would expect to work don't work. Nosotros struggled a lot with zoho desk-bound for case because at that place is a years-erstwhile bug where they didn't implement the RFC for nonce's correctly, and then we couldn't actually apply it embedded in our website because of the CSP
I tried to do that, lasted for like one calendar week.
At the time, Agenda invitations? broken
Google Come across? broken
Everyone on my team nether this domain had these zoho emails and was wondering the point of this masochistic practice of not using gmail.
and yet, I mean it works, and its not a Zoho issue, its a Google network furnishings issue. Having to make a google account for your non-google e-mail simply to join a meet or load a spreadsheet is just bleeeeehhhhhh! I retrieve its the mental association with that e-mail then having a gmail inbox, but it doesnt end at that place as I'm pretty sure the ux was worse than only that.
I tried to set upwards a Zoho account a few years ago. Could not even get through the signup process. Haven't been dorsum.
This is the kind of company that Google has always been - eager to brand money off yous in dark alleyways and always eager to throw users to the piranhas when it'south not worth their time anymore.
The end result is for want of a few engineers to maintain Google Reader or a few dollars of acquirement left on the table for free G Suite users, Google'due south users don't trust the company further they tin can throw information technology, which has led to hundreds of billions of dollars of lost enterprise value as products like Google Deject simply don't have the trust to compete with AWS and Azure.
I feel like at some point we have to accept that unless we want to have stuff like this happen and/or sell our personal data all the time…. we equally users also need to pay for stuff.
We want everything gratis, and I don't blame anyone for that desire but when nobody pays the bills it comes due in some way. The result sucks when the math works out…
Paying for subscriptions is the way to go. We tin't await companies to give expensive services away for gratis, and we don't seem to like being merchandized with ads.
Google has a habit of offering costless services that other companies tin can't compete with, and then after they've killed off the competition they start charging for the services. Classic example is Google Photos - they killed off a bunch of competiors in the early days who couldn't compete with Google's unlimited free storage.
The service itself is not expensive. For instance, my Internet access provider offers information technology for free, so does my registrar. They're effectively selling an overpriced software subscription (to gmail) and threat of lock-in is at least some role of the marketing tactic.
i know people who manage gratis GSuite accounts with 3000+ members. that's $60k / mo in lost sales and at least $500 / mo cost to operate
Haha, fair enough, hadn't thought of that scenario. That is pretty insane to look a gratuitous service to provide that in perpetuity.
Why would you lot always await a service like this to exist free in perpetuity? It'south hardly a bait and switch: you never paid for anything, and still got xv+ years of service!
> 18. Fees. Provided that Google continues to offer the Service to Customer, Google will go along to provide a version of the Service (with essentially the same services as those provided as of the Effective Date) free of charge to Client; provided that such commitment: (i) does not apply to the Domain Service described in Section 4 above; and (ii) may not use to new opt-in services added by Google to the Service in the time to come. For sake of clarity, Google reserves the right to offering a premium version of the Service for a fee. [1]
Of course, Google after removed this clause from the ToS.
Which is weird given that the term that allows them to change the terms explicitly referenced number 18 equally an exception.
The only valid statement for it being legal to discontinue this on y'all is that G-Suite is not GApps, and both are discontinued services anyhow, with Google Workspace being the current offering. Which is presumably what they would debate if sued over this.
I recall we finally learned we shouldn't.
Looks suspiciously at Google docs, which is free, quickly approaching monopoly condition if it's not there already, and has no revenue stream for personal users to speak of.
Whatsoever suggestions on a stack if one wants to run their own mail server? Debian with postfix and some sort of round cube still the way to go?
I am aware of what it entails regarding IP "cleaning", setting a reverse record, SPF and DKIM. Just looking for tips on the software stack side.
In that location is a subconscious cost to this though. Running your own e-mail server, or even having a lesser-known visitor manage your electronic mail server, tin can cause your emails to be sent to spam without whatever action on your office. Yous aren't notified when your email goes to a spam folder, so you lot e'er have to worry that the recipient of your emails didn't receive the email, even if yous simply e'er send legitimate emails. If yous stay on superlative of all the best-practices for running your own mail server, your hidden cost is the mind-share that that takes.
I am surprised that people here still have this all-or-nothing arroyo when information technology comes to managed vs self-hosted e-mail despite information technology existence covered countless times.
If what you mention does turn out to be an issue, or you decide it's a worthwhile tradeoff to not accept to care about IP reputation, yous can choose to route all or a subset (depending on destination domain) of your outgoing mail through a provider like mailroute/mailgun/sendgrid/fastmail/posteo. Or even gmail/AWS. Y'all can still self-host the rest even if you don't desire to hother with approachable SMTP, which you can ever add afterward should uou choose to.
> If you lot stay on superlative of all the best-practices for running your own mail server, your hidden toll is the mind-share that that takes.
Are you actually speaking from experience here? Over the past 20-30 years it's been like, what, 4-5 new things to larn?
In theory this shouldn't be a problem if you aren't using a known-trash IP and have SPF and DKIM set up, since the only affair the major inbox providers want is a manner to verify and associate spam reputation with a domain instead of an IP. If this actually hurts you can just set Amazon SES use that via SMTP, you'll get 62k free emails a month (ever free, non simply beginning 12 months).
This even works if you want a mostly-complimentary setup: you have MX forwarding via some provider (Cloudflare, your registrar, etc) going to a personal address, and SES operates as your outbound SPF that works with Outlook/Gmail in terms of allowing you to set your domain e-mail(southward) as aliases within their interface.
Thats not entirely truthful. Microsoft is crazy on what it flags, and their AI directly just does "things". Their support has admitted as much when i had tickets open for months trying to white list basic GNU/Hurd list serves (that I didnt run).
Im sure but running Mail in a Box on linode would 100% flag it.
I KNOW google would because half the fourth dimension i socks through one of my linodes (that i have used and endemic the IP for years on) i go thrown through all sorts of captchas on services. INCLUDING signing into my ain gsuite from information technology (despite an established history of just doing information technology).
Unfortunately the big players own mail, they practise what they want. In fact having a domain registered with one will do better for your post reputation than well-nigh would intendance to admit.
Just look at how MS uses SMTPS on port 25, sure they COULD use 587 or 465, but they dont:
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-united states of america/exchange/mail-flow-best-pra...
I run postfix on Debian on a longstanding Linode, haven't gotten around to setting up DKIM, and emails to businesses served past outlook.com become through but fine.
I'thousand not rejecting the concern or the cryptic worry almost arbitrary sentence, only the surveillance web'due south captchas are much more draconian than spam filters.
You are probably correct to an extent and I was probably over dramatizing information technology with the whole 100% function.
Just having managed email across all three providers. Microsoft does but ignore rfc's and basic standards pretty regularly and relies heavily on "AI".
Google less so.
And when it works it works great. But once you become deliverability problems it's a hurting to resolve with them. Especially if you take to appoint support.
> Specially if you have to engage support.
If i'm running an e-mail inbox, responding to support regarding electronic mail deliverability is my lowest priority primarily because, if I respond one time, it becomes an attack vector for dedicated spammers to try to extract information nigh the spam detection systems.
Thats more or less an argument FOR using one of the large providers.
Frankly you are more than likely to make exceptions and monitor internally for deliverability from a google, or outlook.com or comcast.internet than for some random xyz.email domain.
And blocking swaths of those has a bigger impact. Frankly though, imho, you should respond to users that study deliverability issues on your domain and tweak your spam filters accordingly. Just ignoring a users saying "i am non getting expected emails from this listserve" is a great way to encourage your users to employ shadow IT and merely use personal accounts.
Obscurity isnt security, fifty-fifty with spam mitigations. Things like SPF, DKIM, DMARC along with some user impersonation filtering (including spoofing from fields) is basic spam 101 and will catch 99% of your actual security related phishing.And the largest ones (dmarc) can exist probed publicly anyhow since almost all of it relies on DNS txt records.
The hidden price of me go along using google is that all my post is stored who knows where, tin can exist have abroad at anytime, is read by who knows what and pricing may alter at someday as it has with this "will e'er be free" version...
I set this all up final month with docker-mailserver, SPF, DKIM, DMARC, the rDNS ptr, sharing LE cert with dokku, with alps for webmail, and it all seemed to be working fine (circular-trip delivery to Gmail addresses, etc) until one day I tried to email an outlook.com address and immediately got told my IP was blocked.
The mail server's IP is a pretty normal cloud VPS IP from a major hosting company. It's non on any public blocklists. I submitted unblock requests to MS, and signed up for their SNDS service, just all requests were denied without explanation and I simply made no progress.
My conclusion is that this route is impossible - practise non waste matter time trying information technology.
Microsoft are the worst (and the only ones that e'er posed a hassle for the states).
I recommend raising the issue with support of your cloud VPS. They well-nigh likely handle cases like this routinely and accept channels to MS that can get this resolved much smoother, IME. It'due south their IPs, after all.
> Worked great until one provider, Outlook.com, blocked me. Do non effort cause you may come across an issue similar me and get upset and quit. Now I use Outlook.com instead.
I use docker-mailcow for pretty much everything on a 20$/one thousand linode instance and just use Postmark to do the actual delivery.
Been sharing this setup with nigh twenty family/friends for a while now (5 years?)
I dear the idea of maddy. (I swear it'due south inspired by Caddy merely I have no proof.) I practise kinda wish it was just made into a Caddy module, though.
I use mailcow-dockerized. The default web frontend, SOGo, is so-so, but I mostly utilise iOS Mail and Thunderbird to access information technology.
Yous'll be considered SPAM almost everywhere.
It doesn't thing what you do.
It doesn't thing that yous are replying to an electronic mail and the bulletin-id is referenced.
It'll be considered SPAM.
DKIM, DMARC and SPF mitigate information technology a bit, but non actually.
Yesterday I had a grade ask me for my e-mail and information technology only accepted @gmail.com
Every other domain I tried was refused as invalid.
Email is expressionless.
OpenBSD with opensmtpd is the most sane arroyo to SMTP. Yous probably will demand dovecot for IMAP which is not that easy to configure but default configuration mostly fine.
any linux distro with postfix would be the best/fastest self-hosted solution
Has a change.org petition always changed anything?
Every fourth dimension I encounter someone mention change.org, I think of information technology as a bunch of Susanne Vegas standing in a windy tunnel shouting through the wall.
I'd honey to hear of any change.org success stories, merely as far as I can tell, it's all KONY2012 every fourth dimension.
I've still not been notified that the complimentary service is going abroad. Nor does the admin portal account prompt me to upgrade.
I'm not sure if my account falls into some sort of never-never-land or if I'thou gonna just terminate up getting charged.
For people only using it as an email backend: at that place are plenty of cheap, privacy-respecting alternatives such as mailbox.org (the one I've used for 7-eight years at present).
Later they changed (raised) their pricing they simply removed the cloud drive with no find and no way to access existing files.
> "Hey Google, if you expect users to pay for the privilege of using services that were marketed for gratis to small organizations or families, you tin can at least drift to a regular free plan. options can exist provided. While y'all're at information technology, hither'southward how to go almost fixing the shortcomings of Google Workspace to make it worth the fastened monthly fee."
Hey Nation Earth News Desk... Google doesn't care.
Yet another good, working service that Google shuts down for the almighty dollar
(disclaimer, work for Google but non on this)
Fifty-fifty though it worked for preexisting users, new user signups were closed a decade ago so I feel similar the writing was on the wall
Yes, and I've wanted to migrate my GSuite account to a regular personal/gratis Google Business relationship for years, simply Google has offered me no mode to practise so. Google even has what I need as a product: "Google Account without GMail". It would let me use my email accost at my personal domain as my Google identity, and work exactly like an @gmail.com account, except no GMail. This would be perfect, but Google hasn't bothered to give me a way to migrate.
And no, Google Takeout doesn't work here, because a lot of the data on the account can't be imported into the new account. Think stuff similar Chat history, YouTube subscriptions and sentinel history, sharing settings on Docs, albums and sharing settings on Photos, purchases on Play, payment methods and transaction history on Pay, and a whole host of other things.
So yes, the writing has been on the wall, just there's been no migration path out of the dead-finish product. I come across in another thread here that Google is working on a migration tool, only I expect that will just migrate me to a fresh @gmail.com account, which is non what I want.
If I understand your situation correctly, you don't really need to do a migration. The condition quo (if you don't pay for GSuite later on the deadline) is that y'all won't exist able to receive transport new emails, set up videoconferences in Meet, upload new stuff to Drive, etc. However you'll still be able to sign into the account, rail your subscriptions in Youtube, install apps you've bought on the Play Store, sign in via OAuth on non-Google websites, etc.
edit: however I'chiliad non sure how storage quotas work and if you'll exist able to upload new things on Photos
I don't even heed paying for it only the nature of the transition and the cost for the features is obscene. For case, I have a secondary address for concern reasons and in the new g suite that has to be an "business relationship" which costs coin every month
As others have said, yous tin can ready aliases / groups and those do not require additional accounts.
Too if yous're the simply account then you tin can just configure a catch-all in the routing section and then that anything@your domain goes to you. That's no boosted cost even on these basic accounts I believe.
I use this and then I tin can besides runway past using a new address for each service (due east.yard. twitter@mydomain.com, ebay@mydomain.com, etc)
I practice the catch-all too, it works with the free version just will it still work with the paid version, even the cheapest tier ? At this betoken I have given around a crazy number of stuff@my.domain addresses, some of them for pretty important stuff, and while I don't mind paying for the service (I actually like the GMail UI, affair of taste I suppose, and that justifies the price for me), I really need the feature equally loosing information technology would be nigh as bad as loosing the "primary" e-mail accost.
No it doesn't? You can set up unlimited aliases, afaik. If you want to have separate access nevertheless, information technology does. I'k currently planning to migrate my script-sending email address to mailgun or SES instead of using a separate gmail user.
I believe i've hit a limit before, but I merely was able to add almost l aliases to myself so it seems the limit has been increased or removed.
I perhaps mistaken but I believe you can create boosted aliases under the same account -- I seem to remember doing that a few months back when I got auto-updated to Google Workspace.
Google doesn't operate "gratis services", they operate services in exchange for user information and ad views.
A lot of the times information technology'due south a bait and switch. They requite y'all a service in substitution for your information, then they pull the service away once they've got it.
Y'all don't really think Google services are really free, right? Nobody paid me for my data.
Indeed. I can inappreciably blame whatever company for shutting downwards a free tier of service. I retrieve many people would've been happy if Google Reader would've stuck around for a monthly fee.
Google has a monopoly and are office of many dupolies in many areas. Offering free services to create lockin and switching the terms is the basis of the complaints here.
Many small companies had a business around maps. Google's gratis products kill most of them. At present that they are gone google starts charging to embed maps.
What free services has the parent offered killing a market merely to crave payment curt after? None..
Doesn't google harvest advertising data from all of their "free" offerings?
From Practice No Evil to Do Evil, going forward will avoid any Google product in the name of FREE (y'all're the production), mine the data for years (and know everything about the user) and later on kickoff charging for it!
> Google is holding all your old free G Suite accounts hostage
They are not holding these accounts hostage. Y'all can consign postal service from Google. You can modify your MX records to dissimilar servers.
I've been scrap as much as anyone by Google killing products, but honestly, information technology's amazing they've kept this production free for so long. And in this case, the production isn't beingness killed; they've but decided to start charging for information technology.
You can't export purchased licenses for software / media to another Google account, nor tin can y'all drift Google Play Developer accounts. The mail isn't the problem, the problem is everything else tied to people's personal Google accounts
You don't need to pay annihilation to google or to apply googles post functionality to keep licenses connected to an account.
Merely motility the accounts to the complimentary version of "google deject identity.
G Suite accounts are by definition not supposed to be personal accounts: they are for when an system wants to own someone else'due south account, with the ability to do stuff like managing it and revoking its access; and and so, just like when you lot are using an account given to you past your employer, yous should non consider them "yours". If you lot desire to complain about this, it should be that businesses that were using this organization for free are being locked out, non personal accounts: if you were buying stuff for your personal use from Google Play using a K Suite business relationship that was never a practiced thought. I realize people started using them like that, considering they wanted a "personal" Google account with support, and I also realize that Google kind of caved on this a while ago when people were whining constantly near why they couldn't use Google+--a social network--with their G Suite accounts (with some resulting changes that completely messed up the model of how these accounts work, muddying up the namespace by mixing the various kinds of accounts together, which bankrupt the ability to have a true personal business relationship with the aforementioned email address as a domain endemic by G Suite... something which awkwardly fabricated it more difficult for the people who did sympathize this divergence and who were making damned certain non to practice something like attach a Google Programmer account to a Google Apps account, lest I afterwards decide to switch to a different workspace and email provider), just the mental model of using a Chiliad Suite account as a personal account never made sense.
> you should not consider them "yours"
It's my domain and I'm the admin on Chiliad Suite so it's just equally much my personal business relationship equally any gmail business relationship, and to follow your logic then you basically shouldn't utilize any kind of 3rd party service or cloud business relationship.
>I realize people started using them like that
Mayhap that'due south because google advertised this every bit way to get a gmail address with a personal domain, offered a complimentary basic tier to everyone that wanted, and rolled out back up for all their products to use these accounts with them, without, it seems e'er considering the eventuality of charging for the complimentary tier and thereby holding accounts and information hostage in abroad they'd never consider for normal accounts.
But I guess that makes information technology harder for you lot to feel superior
> simply like when yous are using an account given to you by your employer, yous should not consider them "yours"
That's totally true but but if you are an employee, the business organization owner should have total access.
I don't see how a free GSuite account - where you lot are the business owner - is any less yours than a gratis gmail account.
> honestly, it's amazing they've kept this production gratis for then long
Really? I remember them maxim these early adopter grandfathered in plans would be free for life.
I've been making a listing of all the Google services I employ that are tied to my account, and what migrating to a costless/personal account would wait similar. Yep, I tin get pretty much all the data out, simply information technology's incredibly lossy, and much of information technology just cannot be imported into the new business relationship at all, and some of it that can be, volition crave me to write a bunch of tools that use Google'south diverse product APIs.
I've already moved my email and contacts from my GSuite account to Fastmail, but that's a tiny part of the story.
Sounds like Google was providing yous a bunch of valuable services for free for a long time. Not defending Google but your statement is non compelling.
More likely considering of path dependency.
Say you lot make a choice between equivalent services, A or B. Over time you are locked into your selection because you make decisions that fit your pick. The benefits and costs/risks of choosing A or B are often indistinguishable over time. Yet afterwards, irresolute betwixt the two can be unfeasibly expensive: due east.thou. irresolute banks (mortgage lock-in), changing wellness insurance (existing condition lock-in), irresolute careers, etcetera.
But if both choices provided a costless service of great value for years, is it fair to mutter when A at some point wants money for the highly valuable service? I don't see a lot of Fastmail customers having this event.
I of my colleagues used to exist a reasonably difficult "Google fanboy", while I mostly drove the company away from Google as much as I could.
The years go by and the fanboyism in him dies a trivial bit more every day. So this came along. He is completely screwed, and pissed at Google about information technology.
The result isn't moving mail, information technology's the rest of the ecossystem and accounts. He can movement mail somewhere else, but his account is also his Youtube account with all his business videos and playlists, several domains, and several other services which he has used under the Promise that they would all be free forever. He actually used the word hostage when talking nigh this with me. He is a hostage.
Google has all the right to price their products, only it is "typical shit google" to go dorsum on their give-and-take, destroy expectations and basically scam their users. If the service hadn't been offered every bit "free forever", many people would not take used information technology.
I don't like Google. I used to. But I can't, now. In that location are a couple of amazing Google-owned products (Maps, Youtube come to heed), but the visitor, to me, is just the Microsoft of the 2000s. Seriously, information technology seems like they intentionally make themselves look bad (it's 2022 and some of my youtube videos still appear translated to the language of the land I'yard in and there's no place for me to change this without screwing something else).
> You can export post from Google.
I've tried to practise it on some old Thousand Suite accounts that got suspended and no, yous can't.
As @Freak_NL noted, IMAP can help hither.
What i have been doing for years now is to setup Thunderbird leveraging maildir...Now, the majority of the time i practise read my postal service via google's webmail...but on occasion i do use Thunderbird for reading mail. But the benefit of having my postal service locally attainable - every bit indivudual files nether maildir - is that things are snappier for going through all of my letters...Just the secondary benefit is that i can (and have been for years) backing upwardly my email equally files...In essence all the files under thunderbird'due south maildir can be copied/pasted to some other storage place/binder/network share/any...and then i go speed and protection! Plus this (having all my email letters locally-accessible) makes it trivially like shooting fish in a barrel to "re-import" (if you want to call information technology that) my electronic mail from GSuite over to whatever other IMAP-capable mail provider...it is as easy equally dragging files from my GSuite-account in thunderbird over to the other, non-GSuite account within said same Thunderbird view. (Granted information technology takes time to button up email to the new provider this manner if you have tons of messages...only its piece of cake.) I'chiliad sure there are more than efficient methods to go your letters from Goolgle and shifted over to another mail provider...but this is what i've done, and information technology works. YMMV depending on the number of messages you're dealing with, and any constraints your new/other mail provider might have in receiving loads of "new" messages.
I call back you lot missed the part about the account being suspended.
Can't log in? Can't take out.
Actually, I can login to account settings and can initiate a take out, but there'southward no way to include Gmail data in it (and trying to go to Gmail results in "account suspended" message).
So now our choices are: pay $half-dozen per user per month for essentially what everyone gets for costless, or our accounts, which are used for all kinds of free Google services, stop working.
The paragraph prior reads:
"After 60 days in break, you volition no longer have access to Google Workspace core services, such equally Gmail, Calendar, and Meet."
I'd really like to know the full list of the "core services" that become unavailable. I've moved my email to Fastmail, but I still use Google Calendar and occasionally Google Meet. What else is included hither? Chat? I apply that also.
It sounds similar Google will simply exist converting your business relationship to the kind that anyone tin create at the offset issue that comes upward when yous google "create google account without gmail." This is fine. Information technology'south a full Google business relationship like any other.
Calendars are very easy to migrate from one business relationship to another (or even to other services). You can download i ics file that describes your whole calendar and import that file to a consumer Google Calendar business relationship. That would probably be the least disruptive path for you.
You could import that same file at to the lowest degree to Apple's gratuitous iCloud, though I imagine it would exist more disruptive because that service is different in many ways.
Now as for those who want gmail just can't afford the $6, I call back it's as elementary as you'd need to add Gmail to that "non-gmail" business relationship, which would restore your access to the consumer version of Gmail. Hosting your domain's email does commonly demand to be washed for money now, only with the coin one has saved for the last 17 years or so, you should be able to do this for $thirty a year or something - and merely configure consumer Gmail to pull messages in via POP from your "personal domain" email business relationship, so that yous get the Gmail UI and the pretty generous storage space. I know it's possible to configure gmail to send "From" the other accost as well, but information technology does so in a pretty conservative way that some clients show as "Bob Smith on behalf of Bob Smith" and both addresses are visible in the headers.
> They are not belongings these accounts hostage. You lot can consign mail from Google. Yous can modify your MX records to unlike servers.
There is sinking cost fallacy of setting up all of this through them. Like I have 100 domains that I've setup to be able to receive emails through Google. So much work + damage to fix everything. Will probably let it die.
Yeah, this is a pain and I hope there volition be some adept news before long. My family runs on this - the but reward over free Gmail is that we can utilize our own domain name, and we're going to suddenly have to pay $42 per month (okay, $36 if I trim i of the accounts I hardly use). Nosotros've got loads of Photos, pic purchases etc which I don't want to lose, plus all the kids Android phones, 2 ten Domicile, 2 ten Chromecast.
Friends who utilize regular Gmail accounts go to employ things like Family Link etc for parental approval/monitoring equally well... which I'yard even so not going to be able to use.
Come on Google, please come upwardly with a family service which allows you to employ your own domain proper name. Pretty please! I'd nonetheless pay a few $ per month for information technology, especially if it'due south adept on parental controls and monitoring.
I bank check this page every week or so:
>In the coming months, we'll provide an option for y'all to move your non-Google Workspace paid content and most of your data to a no-cost option. This new option won't include premium features similar custom email or multi-account management. You'll be able to evaluate this choice prior to July 1, 2022 and prior to account suspension. We'll update this article with details in the coming months.
https://support.google.com/a/answer/60217#data&zippy=%2Cif-i...
I'm kind of counting on that being available earlier they start charging me.
Oh, this is quite interesting. The one thing I am worried about is that it'due south non clear if it volition let u.s. migrate to a "Google Account without GMail" (which lets yous use a custom domain to create a costless Google Account, see https://accounts.google.com/SignUpWithoutGmail?hl=en), but will instead crave that we migrate to an @gmail.com business relationship.
I really don't want that; I desire to keep my Google Account identity the same (with my custom domain). I've already moved my e-mail from GMail to Fastmail, so I don't need Google to host my email. Unfortunately this support page doesn't requite much in the fashion of details, and I expect there won't be much time between when they release this tool (and I inevitably am able to confirm it won't exercise what I want) and when I'll accept to first moving my data, which will require writing some specialized tools if I desire to migrate as losslessly every bit possible to a new Google Account.
This is exactly what I'm waiting for, too - I don't really care virtually migrating my email somewhere else, I'd wanted to do that for a while even before they discontinued the program. But I do want to preserve my existing Google account and the diverse Google data associated to it, even if that ways migrating it out of GSuite.
And then the terminal I heard most this, Google had relented to some extent and was going to offer some offramp for people who had data, purchases, etc. in an old gratis Apps for Domain/G Suite/Workspace account. They had a course you could submit to saying you wanted more information about those options. Has anyone heard whatsoever more than on this forepart?
I don't listen paying someone else just to run email for my domain (or potentially even paying Google) only I'd similar to offload my Android app purchases and all that kind of stuff I take on there.
I submitted the form just haven't heard dorsum. I have recreated all important electronic mail accounts on a self hosted Mailcow example with a sync task that syncs all email every hour. When push comes to shove I only have to flip the MX record for the domains.
Purchases won't go anywhere. You volition exist forced to the new plan, and then when you lot fail to pay you will lose access to the post and the workspace apps (so will lose Docs Sheets, etc access), but the account remains a valid google account indefinitely.
From the FAQ:
> If my Thou Suite legacy free edition account is suspended, what happens to my boosted Google services and paid content after July one, 2022?
> In account suspension, yous won't lose access to other Google services, including YouTube, Google Photos, and Google Play, nor paid content, including YouTube and Play Store purchases.
> You'll likewise exist able to sign in to your Google apps (such as YouTube) and third-party sites with your 1000 Suite legacy edition email address. Yous won't be able to receive or send electronic mail, including authenticating countersign resets via electronic mail. Without access to Gmail in the suspendedstate, we recommend you lot use a different email provider to send and receive email messages, including irresolute logins and authenticating new passwords.
What seems to exist weirdly missing is the pick to convert to normal non-gmail google account, which is what almost individuals or families willing to migrate to a different email host would want. If they offered that, it would allow keeping access to gdocs et al, and you lot would really only be losing mail hosting and the power to administrate other accounts.
My understanding was that it was something approaching your last paragraph that they were looking at offering, either converting your Workspace account to a regular Google business relationship, or offering some sort of thing to pull over your content: I have a regular Google account already, and would rather not continue effectually a neutered i in perpetuity for access to apps.
I would think that having such an account would as well only be trouble down the line: being on a Workspace account already affects time of access to features routinely (and the new Pay never came to those accounts... though I feel like that's somewhat dead in the h2o already anyway?) and being in an even more limited non-paying weirdo customer subset can't maybe aid any of that out.
I signed up for the form. Take not heard just they DID say information technology would exist after April 1.
My guess is they have a Family Tier. Same limits every bit free, but with a cost.
Personally I'm willing to pes the bill if i have to, simply that will probably only exist a stopgap to get to something that is cheaper.
Unfortunately a lot of the heralded services (ie: ProtonMail) dont take the same services (ie: no contacts sync or notes sync etc). That is VERY handy outside the app. While i could piece of work around it, non sure family would exist a willing.
I'd be willing to pay for information technology if information technology's actually good value, because the electric current Thousand Suite sure is not.
Yous need to pay $half dozen/month, or $72/year to get 30 GB of storage + custom domain. If you're on Gmail and pay nothing, you get 15 GB of storage. If you lot're on Gmail and pay $20/year (or $1.99/month) towards Google 1, you lot become 100 GB of storage.
Basically, the custom domain part of G Suite costs quite a lot considering how little of annihilation else you become in comparison to cheaper Google One plans. No idea how expensive that can be, since Apple volition sell me a fifty GB iCloud+ business relationship that has custom domain emails, iCloud Private Relay and other features for 0.99 €/calendar month.
I migrated to Zoho dorsum in January for electronic mail and opened a regular Google account for YouTube etc. Only waiting for them to kick me off at present.
How did it go for y'all and how does Zoho compare? Did you drift from free Yard suite specifically? Did you lot have custom domains?
Yes I'grand using custom domains and yes I migrated from free Gsuite. I merely use the e-mail merely on Zoho, which is totally fine for me. It does also include other services which I oasis't investigated. Migration was fairly painless. The domain setup on Zoho is quite good. I was able to export my contacts from google and import them into Zoho. The main feature I wanted was catch-all support, which Zoho does back up and works fine. Spam detection seems fine. No issues with email deliverability. I have prepare-up SPF and DomainKeys. Seems OK generally.
I'one thousand actually in the middle of fully migrating to zoho from my grandfathered GSuite accounts. And so far, going quite well. I actually had already planned to motion abroad from Google well-nigh 1 year ago...then had spun up a paid Zoho account and associated information technology to an one-time domain proper noun that i was not using...Just to see how zoho performs...And, you know what, they're pretty damn good; especially for the price! I should caveat that my needs (and those of my family) are very meager. My family and I do non share calendars, and so don't know if the result that @bbertelsen noted is hit others. (I guess I'll be testing that!) I do agree with @bbertelsen that the UIs for many settings can be quite deep. It is clear that zoho wanted to go along adding lots of bells and whistles...just i guess considering my family unit's needs are pretty simple, one time i figured out where to do whatever was needed...sort of set it and forget it...at least and so far...and again, at this point working bang-up! (Nosotros'll see how things go once i complete the mkigration.)
Information technology takes some getting used to. There are some rough edges, mainly with the UI and figuring out where things are hidden behind deep menus. Calendar sharing is non equally straightforward. Otherwise it's been a good experience so far. I have 8 custom domains for about eight users. Transition was easy also, you can do it from inside zoho for the most office. The just thing that takes a scrap of time is domain propagation.
I tried this in 2018, and had issues with notifications under iOS, and there wasn't support for syncing contacts and calendars. As well, Zoho its offering is pretty huge, so for example grokking the settings screens takes some attempt. Perhaps someone can requite a more recent update?
I used zoho for a few years in our org. Nosotros started on the costless zoho plan then transitioned to paid. As we hired more, we got a lot of requests for people to switch to gsuite, and we finally did a few months ago. Now nosotros have both side by side.
Main reasons people wanted gsuite
- gmail UI preference (Zoho webmail ui is feature-complete but clunky and wearisome)
- perceived email deliverability (people thought gsuite would be ameliorate for deliverability. Nosotros haven't seen much difference in reality though)
- preference for google drive + docs over zoho workdrive + docs. This is not merely due to familiarity -- the features for google are smoother and more than reliable. Information technology seems fine to use zoho only when you are losing saved drafts or having to doubele-check the engineering science or don't know where thee buttons are for something, productivity losses add up over time
- frustratino with some of the other zoho services. Their Zoho One offers a ton of things to solve most product categories, but they're rarely best in class. More of a problem is that often unproblematic things you would expect to work don't work. Nosotros struggled a lot with zoho desk-bound for case because at that place is a years-erstwhile bug where they didn't implement the RFC for nonce's correctly, and then we couldn't actually apply it embedded in our website because of the CSP
I tried to do that, lasted for like one calendar week.
At the time, Agenda invitations? broken
Google Come across? broken
Everyone on my team nether this domain had these zoho emails and was wondering the point of this masochistic practice of not using gmail.
and yet, I mean it works, and its not a Zoho issue, its a Google network furnishings issue. Having to make a google account for your non-google e-mail simply to join a meet or load a spreadsheet is just bleeeeehhhhhh! I retrieve its the mental association with that e-mail then having a gmail inbox, but it doesnt end at that place as I'm pretty sure the ux was worse than only that.
I tried to set upwards a Zoho account a few years ago. Could not even get through the signup process. Haven't been dorsum.
This is the kind of company that Google has always been - eager to brand money off yous in dark alleyways and always eager to throw users to the piranhas when it'south not worth their time anymore.
The end result is for want of a few engineers to maintain Google Reader or a few dollars of acquirement left on the table for free G Suite users, Google'due south users don't trust the company further they tin can throw information technology, which has led to hundreds of billions of dollars of lost enterprise value as products like Google Deject simply don't have the trust to compete with AWS and Azure.
I feel like at some point we have to accept that unless we want to have stuff like this happen and/or sell our personal data all the time…. we equally users also need to pay for stuff.
We want everything gratis, and I don't blame anyone for that desire but when nobody pays the bills it comes due in some way. The result sucks when the math works out…
Paying for subscriptions is the way to go. We tin't await companies to give expensive services away for gratis, and we don't seem to like being merchandized with ads.
Google has a habit of offering costless services that other companies tin can't compete with, and then after they've killed off the competition they start charging for the services. Classic example is Google Photos - they killed off a bunch of competiors in the early days who couldn't compete with Google's unlimited free storage.
The service itself is not expensive. For instance, my Internet access provider offers information technology for free, so does my registrar. They're effectively selling an overpriced software subscription (to gmail) and threat of lock-in is at least some role of the marketing tactic.
i know people who manage gratis GSuite accounts with 3000+ members. that's $60k / mo in lost sales and at least $500 / mo cost to operate
Haha, fair enough, hadn't thought of that scenario. That is pretty insane to look a gratuitous service to provide that in perpetuity.
Why would you lot always await a service like this to exist free in perpetuity? It'south hardly a bait and switch: you never paid for anything, and still got xv+ years of service!
> 18. Fees. Provided that Google continues to offer the Service to Customer, Google will go along to provide a version of the Service (with essentially the same services as those provided as of the Effective Date) free of charge to Client; provided that such commitment: (i) does not apply to the Domain Service described in Section 4 above; and (ii) may not use to new opt-in services added by Google to the Service in the time to come. For sake of clarity, Google reserves the right to offering a premium version of the Service for a fee. [1]
[1] https://web.archive.org/web/20110429023658/http://world wide web.google...
Of course, Google after removed this clause from the ToS.
Which is weird given that the term that allows them to change the terms explicitly referenced number 18 equally an exception.
The only valid statement for it being legal to discontinue this on y'all is that G-Suite is not GApps, and both are discontinued services anyhow, with Google Workspace being the current offering. Which is presumably what they would debate if sued over this.
I recall we finally learned we shouldn't.
Looks suspiciously at Google docs, which is free, quickly approaching monopoly condition if it's not there already, and has no revenue stream for personal users to speak of.
Whatsoever suggestions on a stack if one wants to run their own mail server? Debian with postfix and some sort of round cube still the way to go?
I am aware of what it entails regarding IP "cleaning", setting a reverse record, SPF and DKIM. Just looking for tips on the software stack side.
In that location is a subconscious cost to this though. Running your own e-mail server, or even having a lesser-known visitor manage your electronic mail server, tin can cause your emails to be sent to spam without whatever action on your office. Yous aren't notified when your email goes to a spam folder, so you lot e'er have to worry that the recipient of your emails didn't receive the email, even if yous simply e'er send legitimate emails. If yous stay on superlative of all the best-practices for running your own mail server, your hidden cost is the mind-share that that takes.
I am surprised that people here still have this all-or-nothing arroyo when information technology comes to managed vs self-hosted e-mail despite information technology existence covered countless times.
If what you mention does turn out to be an issue, or you decide it's a worthwhile tradeoff to not accept to care about IP reputation, yous can choose to route all or a subset (depending on destination domain) of your outgoing mail through a provider like mailroute/mailgun/sendgrid/fastmail/posteo. Or even gmail/AWS. Y'all can still self-host the rest even if you don't desire to hother with approachable SMTP, which you can ever add afterward should uou choose to.
> If you lot stay on superlative of all the best-practices for running your own mail server, your hidden toll is the mind-share that that takes.
Are you actually speaking from experience here? Over the past 20-30 years it's been like, what, 4-5 new things to larn?
In theory this shouldn't be a problem if you aren't using a known-trash IP and have SPF and DKIM set up, since the only affair the major inbox providers want is a manner to verify and associate spam reputation with a domain instead of an IP. If this actually hurts you can just set Amazon SES use that via SMTP, you'll get 62k free emails a month (ever free, non simply beginning 12 months).
This even works if you want a mostly-complimentary setup: you have MX forwarding via some provider (Cloudflare, your registrar, etc) going to a personal address, and SES operates as your outbound SPF that works with Outlook/Gmail in terms of allowing you to set your domain e-mail(southward) as aliases within their interface.
Thats not entirely truthful. Microsoft is crazy on what it flags, and their AI directly just does "things". Their support has admitted as much when i had tickets open for months trying to white list basic GNU/Hurd list serves (that I didnt run).
Im sure but running Mail in a Box on linode would 100% flag it.
I KNOW google would because half the fourth dimension i socks through one of my linodes (that i have used and endemic the IP for years on) i go thrown through all sorts of captchas on services. INCLUDING signing into my ain gsuite from information technology (despite an established history of just doing information technology).
Unfortunately the big players own mail, they practise what they want. In fact having a domain registered with one will do better for your post reputation than well-nigh would intendance to admit.
Just look at how MS uses SMTPS on port 25, sure they COULD use 587 or 465, but they dont:
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-united states of america/exchange/mail-flow-best-pra...
I run postfix on Debian on a longstanding Linode, haven't gotten around to setting up DKIM, and emails to businesses served past outlook.com become through but fine.
I'thousand not rejecting the concern or the cryptic worry almost arbitrary sentence, only the surveillance web'due south captchas are much more draconian than spam filters.
You are probably correct to an extent and I was probably over dramatizing information technology with the whole 100% function.
Just having managed email across all three providers. Microsoft does but ignore rfc's and basic standards pretty regularly and relies heavily on "AI".
Google less so.
And when it works it works great. But once you become deliverability problems it's a hurting to resolve with them. Especially if you take to appoint support.
> Specially if you have to engage support.
If i'm running an e-mail inbox, responding to support regarding electronic mail deliverability is my lowest priority primarily because, if I respond one time, it becomes an attack vector for dedicated spammers to try to extract information nigh the spam detection systems.
Thats more or less an argument FOR using one of the large providers.
Frankly you are more than likely to make exceptions and monitor internally for deliverability from a google, or outlook.com or comcast.internet than for some random xyz.email domain.
And blocking swaths of those has a bigger impact. Frankly though, imho, you should respond to users that study deliverability issues on your domain and tweak your spam filters accordingly. Just ignoring a users saying "i am non getting expected emails from this listserve" is a great way to encourage your users to employ shadow IT and merely use personal accounts.
Obscurity isnt security, fifty-fifty with spam mitigations. Things like SPF, DKIM, DMARC along with some user impersonation filtering (including spoofing from fields) is basic spam 101 and will catch 99% of your actual security related phishing.And the largest ones (dmarc) can exist probed publicly anyhow since almost all of it relies on DNS txt records.
The hidden price of me go along using google is that all my post is stored who knows where, tin can exist have abroad at anytime, is read by who knows what and pricing may alter at someday as it has with this "will e'er be free" version...
I set this all up final month with docker-mailserver, SPF, DKIM, DMARC, the rDNS ptr, sharing LE cert with dokku, with alps for webmail, and it all seemed to be working fine (circular-trip delivery to Gmail addresses, etc) until one day I tried to email an outlook.com address and immediately got told my IP was blocked.
The mail server's IP is a pretty normal cloud VPS IP from a major hosting company. It's non on any public blocklists. I submitted unblock requests to MS, and signed up for their SNDS service, just all requests were denied without explanation and I simply made no progress.
My conclusion is that this route is impossible - practise non waste matter time trying information technology.
Microsoft are the worst (and the only ones that e'er posed a hassle for the states).
I recommend raising the issue with support of your cloud VPS. They well-nigh likely handle cases like this routinely and accept channels to MS that can get this resolved much smoother, IME. It'due south their IPs, after all.
> Worked great until one provider, Outlook.com, blocked me. Do non effort cause you may come across an issue similar me and get upset and quit. Now I use Outlook.com instead.
I use docker-mailcow for pretty much everything on a 20$/one thousand linode instance and just use Postmark to do the actual delivery.
Been sharing this setup with nigh twenty family/friends for a while now (5 years?)
I dear the idea of maddy. (I swear it'due south inspired by Caddy merely I have no proof.) I practise kinda wish it was just made into a Caddy module, though.
I use mailcow-dockerized. The default web frontend, SOGo, is so-so, but I mostly utilise iOS Mail and Thunderbird to access information technology.
Yous'll be considered SPAM almost everywhere.
It doesn't thing what you do.
It doesn't thing that yous are replying to an electronic mail and the bulletin-id is referenced.
It'll be considered SPAM.
DKIM, DMARC and SPF mitigate information technology a bit, but non actually.
Yesterday I had a grade ask me for my e-mail and information technology only accepted @gmail.com
Every other domain I tried was refused as invalid.
Email is expressionless.
OpenBSD with opensmtpd is the most sane arroyo to SMTP. Yous probably will demand dovecot for IMAP which is not that easy to configure but default configuration mostly fine.
any linux distro with postfix would be the best/fastest self-hosted solution
Has a change.org petition always changed anything?
Every fourth dimension I encounter someone mention change.org, I think of information technology as a bunch of Susanne Vegas standing in a windy tunnel shouting through the wall.
I'd honey to hear of any change.org success stories, merely as far as I can tell, it's all KONY2012 every fourth dimension.
I've still not been notified that the complimentary service is going abroad. Nor does the admin portal account prompt me to upgrade.
I'm not sure if my account falls into some sort of never-never-land or if I'thou gonna just terminate up getting charged.
For people only using it as an email backend: at that place are plenty of cheap, privacy-respecting alternatives such as mailbox.org (the one I've used for 7-eight years at present).
Later they changed (raised) their pricing they simply removed the cloud drive with no find and no way to access existing files.
> "Hey Google, if you expect users to pay for the privilege of using services that were marketed for gratis to small organizations or families, you tin can at least drift to a regular free plan. options can exist provided. While y'all're at information technology, hither'southward how to go almost fixing the shortcomings of Google Workspace to make it worth the fastened monthly fee."
Hey Nation Earth News Desk... Google doesn't care.
Yet another good, working service that Google shuts down for the almighty dollar
(disclaimer, work for Google but non on this)
Fifty-fifty though it worked for preexisting users, new user signups were closed a decade ago so I feel similar the writing was on the wall
Yes, and I've wanted to migrate my GSuite account to a regular personal/gratis Google Business relationship for years, simply Google has offered me no mode to practise so. Google even has what I need as a product: "Google Account without GMail". It would let me use my email accost at my personal domain as my Google identity, and work exactly like an @gmail.com account, except no GMail. This would be perfect, but Google hasn't bothered to give me a way to migrate.
And no, Google Takeout doesn't work here, because a lot of the data on the account can't be imported into the new account. Think stuff similar Chat history, YouTube subscriptions and sentinel history, sharing settings on Docs, albums and sharing settings on Photos, purchases on Play, payment methods and transaction history on Pay, and a whole host of other things.
So yes, the writing has been on the wall, just there's been no migration path out of the dead-finish product. I come across in another thread here that Google is working on a migration tool, only I expect that will just migrate me to a fresh @gmail.com account, which is non what I want.
If I understand your situation correctly, you don't really need to do a migration. The condition quo (if you don't pay for GSuite later on the deadline) is that y'all won't exist able to receive transport new emails, set up videoconferences in Meet, upload new stuff to Drive, etc. However you'll still be able to sign into the account, rail your subscriptions in Youtube, install apps you've bought on the Play Store, sign in via OAuth on non-Google websites, etc.
edit: however I'chiliad non sure how storage quotas work and if you'll exist able to upload new things on Photos
I don't even heed paying for it only the nature of the transition and the cost for the features is obscene. For case, I have a secondary address for concern reasons and in the new g suite that has to be an "business relationship" which costs coin every month
As others have said, yous tin can ready aliases / groups and those do not require additional accounts.
Too if yous're the simply account then you tin can just configure a catch-all in the routing section and then that anything@your domain goes to you. That's no boosted cost even on these basic accounts I believe.
I use this and then I tin can besides runway past using a new address for each service (due east.yard. twitter@mydomain.com, ebay@mydomain.com, etc)
I practice the catch-all too, it works with the free version just will it still work with the paid version, even the cheapest tier ? At this betoken I have given around a crazy number of stuff@my.domain addresses, some of them for pretty important stuff, and while I don't mind paying for the service (I actually like the GMail UI, affair of taste I suppose, and that justifies the price for me), I really need the feature equally loosing information technology would be nigh as bad as loosing the "primary" e-mail accost.
No it doesn't? You can set up unlimited aliases, afaik. If you want to have separate access nevertheless, information technology does. I'k currently planning to migrate my script-sending email address to mailgun or SES instead of using a separate gmail user.
I believe i've hit a limit before, but I merely was able to add almost l aliases to myself so it seems the limit has been increased or removed.
I perhaps mistaken but I believe you can create boosted aliases under the same account -- I seem to remember doing that a few months back when I got auto-updated to Google Workspace.
Google doesn't operate "gratis services", they operate services in exchange for user information and ad views.
A lot of the times information technology'due south a bait and switch. They requite y'all a service in substitution for your information, then they pull the service away once they've got it.
Y'all don't really think Google services are really free, right? Nobody paid me for my data.
Indeed. I can inappreciably blame whatever company for shutting downwards a free tier of service. I retrieve many people would've been happy if Google Reader would've stuck around for a monthly fee.
Google has a monopoly and are office of many dupolies in many areas. Offering free services to create lockin and switching the terms is the basis of the complaints here.
Many small companies had a business around maps. Google's gratis products kill most of them. At present that they are gone google starts charging to embed maps.
What free services has the parent offered killing a market merely to crave payment curt after? None..
Doesn't google harvest advertising data from all of their "free" offerings?
From Practice No Evil to Do Evil, going forward will avoid any Google product in the name of FREE (y'all're the production), mine the data for years (and know everything about the user) and later on kickoff charging for it!
It is Earnest and Evil!